It permeates through the woman that you are. Amen. From your first speaking engagement at Harvest, I have watched your ministry(ies) and have see you be a strong fast speaking, outgoing woman, by ethnic background, yet a humble servant of Christ who feels deeply the impact of wrongfulness. I am ashamed to say that after being a member at Harvest for 8 years, that was the first real conversation I had had with an elder about the state of affairs of the church at that time. I lost the bulk of my community virtually overnight. God wins the war. Thank you Lina for your honesty and boldness and ultimately helping me put words to what I have been experiencing through the preaching of James. I agree with Nellie. I still would like to read the blog on tattoos. This was encouraging to read and I hope others take it to heart. I continue to pray for the people this has affected, the elders and pastors, and that the darkness will be continually exposed to the light. He unsubscribed from the emails but they were still sent him texts asking him to give. The devil may win some battles, but we know God ultimately wins the war. It quickly became one of the 50 largest churches in the country, with over 12,000 members and eight campuses in the Chicago area. Lina you were humble and owned more than most. Because she is helping expose evil and proving that is is deep and wide and on going. Sadly, this cancer has spread to other churches that were once part of the fellowship. You can read about the continued corruption and fraud here: Dan George's Resignation. What Happens Now? Im not sure what is going on with me honestly. Todays Christians are weak and show Satan how powerful he is when their own Church is faced with trouble. I speak as one who has gone thru it, like you. Lina, The more I think about the demise of Harvest Bible Chapel and James MacDonald, the more I believe that fear is the cancer at the root of it all specifically the fear of James MacDonald. I guess I felt like one of the peons of Harvest, and that me reaching out wouldnt matter, since I was not a part of the inner circle or personally close to you. What would Jesus do? Connect With Us! The whole ordeal was very strange. (Proverbs 16:18). This comment to Harvest and James is your opinion and you have every right to it. We did not want to cause a split or damage the cause of Christ, so we quietly left. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. Those are things we dont talk about often enough about. And come together in prayer, fasting and humility before Jesus that He enables us to be the people He died for. I know many people who attend Harvest or who have been impacted by MacDonalds preaching are crushed today. Ross, Its by an unbeliever, but wow, is it eye-opening. Be very careful Azaelea. I believe that now IS an appropriate time to share your story. It IS her truth I do know that my faith will not be shaken. This is hardly a local issue in the Western church. The culture of fear is real, soo much so I dont feel comfortable giving my name as some will know me. The caller alleged (in vulgar terms) that Roys, the reporter, was having an affair with Christianity Todayseditor-in-chief Mark Galli, andmade a comment about bringing down former Christianity Today CEO down by remotely uploading child pornography onto his computers. Several years went by and one family apologized to us as did another man. Oh my how that resonated with me and the experiences my beloved and I have had with churches in the UK. James MacDonald was forced out Tuesday night as senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel, a church he founded in Rolling Meadows some 30 years ago. At the moment were seeing the effects of a down cycle away from God. Transparency in finances How dare you question her about why? Why? Hi Hurting in Davenport, While I have no say in the future of Harvest, it is ridiculous to think that any healthy future can take place until the cancer is removed. May Our Lord guide all of us and May His will be done above all else. A defamation lawsuit by the church against the website, and Julie Roys, a reporter for the bi-weekly Christian World magazine, who investigated Harvest, was dropped last month. It took months to get over the hurt he caused my husband and I. My last complaint. Nice to hear from you again! hi liz, not really looking for a vote here. whos fault is this? The flock are the casualties in all of this. I think Nellie and others are genuine in their questions of why now and why kick him when he is down. Ezekiel 22:27 Constantly made to feel stupid, the youth had had enough so the mom called a meeting with the pastor. Continually praying for healing, reconciliation and restoration for His church. this isnt meant to hurt you but to support those who need it. What would it take to convince an elder board to question its pastor? I was so surprised to read that you were afraid because you seem like such a strong and confident person. The church and its people helped create Pastor James He is not the only one involved it was a group effort. Looking back over my life I see how all things have led to today. Im grateful that the sin of James and the elders/staff who allowed his tyranny to prosper is finally coming to light, so that the abuse can come to an end. I hate to be James because God judges leadership harsher than the regular sinner. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. Count on it. 2. In effect, the senior pastor isthe church. This is a very vulnerable time for a lot of people and I am sure God weeps for every single wounded soul.. She was obedient to Christ. When is God pleased at his church? | Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel Facebook The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability has suspended Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Church following the firing of its longtime pastor James MacDonald and amid ongoing revelations that the ministry had misappropriated funds. And, at the same time, I know you to be a humble woman, easily impacted by negative, feedback. Or were you saying they were bullied too. I left Harvest CL 3 yrs ago after being forced out of a ministry and other thingspart of the membership indoctrinationyou are not allowed to say anything disparaging against church leadership or the church. And I find it odd that someone would have an opinion on that. As Gods word says it would. May the God of all comfort minister his comfort to them. I cant imagine a culture in which you felt such fear. In the wake of his departure, the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability acknowledged serious concerns around spending and financial stewardship under MacDonald that resulted in the church losing its membership status. Lina, Because these leaders will continue this false deceitful way of life that flows from them so seamlessly, so easily, and with such persuasiveness. The web page has a Contact button on the bottom and we can email. The current model for pastor directed churches says that the senior pastor is the priest this is Old Testament. Lina isnt hanging Harvest Bible Chapel. DONT defend these people in any way!! This past Sunday, Harvests elders and remaining pastors were in serious damage control mode. Thank you for taking the time to nurture the HBC flock that Pastor James never cared about! Lina, you are strong and your faith in the Lord is inspiring. Scripture does not say what the mark was, but it was a mark that man knew as a sign to not to kill Cain, as it would end his life, and end the judgement that God had given Cain to live out his life with. You are loved. Im thankful you and so many others I know have left with dignity and after a bit of healing have jumped back into churches where they are serving the Lord with all their hearts using the gifts God has given them so faithfully. Are you straining at a gnat but swallowing a camel? Now that all MacDonald men are gone and the elder board has been cut down to 9 men until a brand spanking new group of men are approved of, I am curious to see where this train goes. Now, the church has decided its longtime leader wont be coming back. I never understood why they saw him the way they do. and pro football. These are the last days! Let us examine ourselves for unconfessed sin and seek to live in fear of the Lord lest bitterness overtake us.. The day I watched the video, I emailed my campus pastor and asked for an explanation. I think that was his recruitment tactic. (It wouldve done no good to tell them how they erred when previous months didnt get it done.) Thank you for all you do. BTW, Ive loved your blogs in the morning, but cant read the Twitter ones because I am not on Twitter. I volunteer in the childrens ministry and the youth ministry as well, pouring into children and youth. Really? That timeline accelerated, when on Tuesday morning highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald were given to media and reported, they wrote. They helped to create this culture of fear. Like you, Lina, Ive listened to people wounded by sin, power grabs and wrongdoing by Church leaders. This is the mercy and grace of God. Gods hand is on Harvest and the dark is continuing to be shown. I think he forgot Whose ministry it was. We attended Harvest for 16 years before we left little over 4 years ago. Why? Thank goodness God is still God! The harsh language of Harvests public excommunication of these individuals did receive pushback, and in 2014, MacDonald expressed regret at the language used, and announced that the church had reconciled with the elders. []. Ive been where youre at, believing that its godly to keep trying to work it out, like family does. Harvest, an off-shoot of an eponymous megachurch in Illinois, was sued for. I just want you to know that what you did at HBC mattered, and your presence is greatly missed. I did not fear God as much as I feared James and longed for his approval. In any case, Im saddened to hear that this happened to James McDonald. In another incident at Camp Harvest, MacDonald reportedly stabbed a photo of a former Harvest pastor with a butter knife. Just pray in a prayer closet to be still in the presence of Jesus. The church has responded by hiring Lawrence Swicegood, the executive director of communications at Gateway Church, who was also hired by Harvest Bible Chapel when facing its scandal involving James MacDonald. out of fear you complied I have seen this in many independent churches.THIs was done to me at a similar setting.The pastor One of things his way or the highway and there was no disagreement because he said it was leading to anarchy. (My) fear was in upsetting James Women are not silenced: This model is not original and is old but it is appropriate for the megachurch and also for the persecuted church. I am surprised by your editorial on Harvest. Pray for James and Christs church that the LORD would accomplish what HE and HE alone is allowing. Ive been in the medical field for over 40 years and know a thing or two about human anatomy. :) I met my husband about 5 yrs ago and he had been attending faith community church for a bit. Thanks for finally being honest. If you know anything about abusive relationshipsHBC is in the honeymoon phase right now.look it up!! Driscoll, now MacDonald. I am now going to read the rest of your post. James is (was) a powerful force which could and did destroy people with his power and influence. The recognizing date of the exempt status is April, 1972. There are dozens if not hundreds of witnesses against many Elders at Harvest all saying the same thing. Often no explanation given, and the band plays on. I pray that moving forward, His love will control me no matter the consequences. Still, things seemed off. I dont know why, except that I just really wasnt getting the Word of God from the stage and I do mean stage. No church outside of the One True Church Christ began was given His authority to act on their own. Dont stand in the middle, dont seek to mediate. The World article on the topic says that after Secrest was fired, "he was stunned, because his contract stipulated that he could be fired only for . Could you provide me with a link please. Did they not find that video shocking? He went recently, saying the time had come. Please pray for all of the member/attendees who are struggling, as we are grieving a loss of our church base and have felt the wrath, unfortunately. Your two posts make no sense I hope you get some sense and realize people in Church are not infallible only Jesus! What Can Christians Do About Climate Change? God bless. - October 16, 2020 The protracted dispute between Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) recently concluded through arbitration. Ive tried to cover everything in prayer but I dont feel God right now. And I do want to state that MANY of us have made every effort to address the problems prior to leaving. I simply could not reconcile the lies that were shared from the pulpit with the truths that I knew regarding issues in the church. But as every Christian knows, we walk and we live by grace. Gods timing is always perfect. To heal enough to communicate and receiving shaming comments like yours. It seems that was true at Harvest, just as it is at many local churches. 6. The Church of Jesus Christ is not the organization or nonprofits we create, but the men and women that God calls and saves by the sacrifice of His Son. I was too afraid to ask her why. Many many of us are praying for all of you in Naples. The pastor of that church,John Secrest, said he would be uncomfortable with MacDonald preaching at his church and asked Harvest to sever their affiliation. Until then, you are still a wolf in sheeps clothing. It also had a church-planting network, Harvest Bible Fellowship (HBF), which MacDonald dissolved last year. Harvest Bible Chapel's Elgin campus H arvest Bible Chapel has reached a multimillion-dollar agreement to transfer some of its assets to former pastor James MacDonald, who plans to continue in. In our case we have been pulled away from our church as well because of how we have been treated for our daughters actions. Free of James fear. Although I do not want to be a part of this church any more, I strongly feel that God is directing me to continue to obey his direction in this scripture and take their disobedience to another level. 1 Song. The surprise is not Harvest, but that you publicly hung them. The evangelical megachurch system, where multilayered ministries form around a single persona, leaves ample room for mismanagement and abuse of authority. Superior to whom? So now, I tell the truth about what happened, and it isnt only a Pastor James problem. than submission to leaders Have you not read these passages? He says he gave about $1K in these 6 months, and regrets it. He ultimately requested that Harvest Naples be released from its relationship with the megachurch. Lina did try to have a conversation with the Elders before she left Harvest. She is free to speak of her experience, nothing mean about that. When we try to protect those in power instead of those who are hurting, we are not doing the work of God. Thanks again, Lina, for being courageous in the midst of these difficult days. Were they unaware of what was happening behind the scenes? Its so fitting that you likened the pain at Harvest to the pain of a divorce. A Florida Lawyer Argues That a Pregnant Inmates Unborn Child Is Being Illegally Detained, Experts Predict the Ozone Layer Will Fully Heal Within 40 Years, The Biblical Reasons for Going Low Waste, The Spiritual Toll of Americas Food Waste Epidemic, The Buffalo Supermarket Shooter Has Been Sentenced to Life in Prison. I dont know you personally but appreciate all you continue to teach me and countless others. He was a ruler of his churches. Thank you for being honest and speaking truth. Pastor James teaching seemed so Biblical. I hope that the cleansing and purification will come to Davenport as well. May God bless you for speaking truth and standing in the gap for those of us who dont have the circle of influence that you have. Fear. Where there is no vision and freedom the people perish. (Matthew 12:33-37). In fact, even though there is no patents or rights given to the Bible every man-made church that has plagiarized, promoted or used the Bible without the expressed consent of Jesus Himself or the authority of His church begin their ministries as thieves. They all need to be excised ( fired ), along with number one enabler extraordinaire of James, Rick Donald, along with the MacDonald boys, along with every single campus pastor and the other pastors, and throw in the worship leaders ( they are all complicit ), then the cancer would have been completely removed and the body ( the good people of Harvest that are being fleeced ) would have a chance to heal and become part of a true biblical church. Amy. If you ever make that offer again, Ill be there, but please post on Twitter. Do systems of accountability exist in practice, or only on paper? Why kick him and the church while their down Lina? In addition, what was shared now, may have been heard better now, then it would have been heard before Lina left Harvest. They made excuses for him. I am delighted to hear that. All of it. If so Id be in agreement but again- this is not a political post. They have gone the deep end of the pool. , Titus 3:10-11 says as for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once, and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful, he is self condemned. Also 1 Timothy 5:20 says as for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, which is what we are doing, so that the rest may stand in fear. , Nothing is covered, nothing is unresolved, nothing is ongoing, only this attack from the enemy. Doesnt matter how long ago it happened either. for less than $4.25/month. Harvest Kids is our weekend experience for kids (babies to fifth grade). Thank you for your thoughts and strong, encouraging words. Nothing will change at Harvest if the cancer of fear is not exposed . Lina has every right to speak her truth . Im so sorry, and Im sorry for the comments here that are going to be painful for you. Thank you for teaching even in the midst of giving your testimony. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); LIVING WITH POWER MINISTRIES: 119 S EMERSON ST. #213 | MOUNT PROSPECT, IL 60056 | 224-634-6777 | [emailprotected]. Matthew 7:15 @Ross, Were you able to access it? At my former church, I reached the point where I couldnt, in good conscience, stay because of the amount of bull-headed spiritual abuse that was going on combined with covering-up of sexual abuse. Will those men now be known for their mark as sinful followers of James? Authority? These churches do not usually belong to any denominational body; this means that these pastors have no body above them that they are accountable to. Many were kicked out and shown the door. I didnt want to be rebellious against authority. Its messy. *For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. What does the Bible say about debt? Fear is never a godly way of governing. This is the right time as the judgment of God has come to his people. Ross, Ross, Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories, Abujamra, a Bible teacher and Moody Radio host, wrote on her blog. We can be humans and love. I feel like I cant trust my own judgment any more. He clearly told me that they send out reminders to give. There are times in our lives and circumstances that its just not real clear as to how to address something, with as little harm to what is good, as possible. God is purifying His Church. So beautiful. Be blessed dear Sister. The sin that has taken place does not negate the awesome work that God has done, and it pains my heart to hear people act as if it does. I dont really care what someone else thinks. The resources are pulpit curriculum and bible words to talk about. Sunday Service-10:15 AM/Wed. Dont listen to haters. When a person is afraid of the reaction of their pastor or preacher it is time to move on. Good for you and speaking up. The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. Nellie, be very, very careful! It seems to have so many cracks in the structure. As a result, I was asked to meet with the elders, pull the blog piece and write a new one that James would first approve. Start praying to the Lord for healing. Again this is HER TRUTH! see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. Im about to lead a teaching tomorrow night about the mark God placed on Cain after he killed his brother Abel. It describes participative worship thats all the music you need. Finally, we have landed at a church with a passion for others, our hearts have healed and by going there I was introduced to your bible study Resolved. It completed my healing. Wounds take a great deal of time to heal and its appropriate to share them and warn others to avoid similar church abuse. then the sermons and teaching were getting distorted and weird. Opt out of televised preaching? Nellie, you know what Lina went through in prep for this how? However why now? It was your Study that helped me be obedient to God. Lean should read it and reply in kind. Nellie, Im sorry for your comment. We have seen this very truth of Jesus teaching publicly demonstrated by Mancow and many other witnesses. I want to thank you for having the courage to add your testimony to the voices of those who have been abused by HBC. For me, I live with the regret of not taking advantage of the opportunity to come over and get to know you. Thats when eight former elders sent a letter to the sitting elder board, warning them that MacDonald was disqualified for office, she said in a response posted Wednesday. Before the article was even printed, Harvest sued Roys, plus two bloggers who've been critical about problems at Harvest. I am sorry for the pain. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. I cant imagine a person alive who couldnt look at their life and say the same thing in some area of their dealings with people. Will James not wake up and realize that the Church of Jesus Christ is not the organization or nonprofits we create, but the men and women that God calls and saves by the sacrifice of His Son? Others, too, could see the attitude. And the lies werent just shared by James. The abuse I suffered first hand and working through the realizations and implications of that abuse have been traumatic. The Spirit has shown me that Church, the Body of called out believers are those Christians you meet with. (Galatians 2:11-21) I wondered where God was in the narrative. Reflect about yourself and what steps you need to take to be healed and then to help others heal. Our good is like the filthy rags of the leper! It was not supposed to be that way. Not cool to kick people when they are down. Long story short he kicked my husband and I out of the church. However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. The Lord has used you mightily before, during and after your exit from the toxic leadership at Harvest. Thats what happens to us as individuals and us as a collection of people. God used him mightily for many years and brought His salvation to thousands through this brother. No one asked why I quit attending after 15 years. There is NEVER a healthy or spiritual reason for suppressing truth. In the past we were to study pulpit curriculum and bible vocabulary. Though MacDonald initially opted to step away from all preaching and leadership roles at the churchs Chicago-area locations, in his January 16 sabbatical announcement he suggested he might still preach at a Harvest congregation in Naples, Florida, which led to another saga. It is those who live in fear. During his sabbatical, MacDonald had planned to preach at the. Rather, God is shaking the junkall of our junkout of His Church. He just got into the worlds standards for a preacher. thanks, I believe you are mistaken. In good conscience we walked away too knowing it was the right thing before God.So now I get your story, you were a favorite of Kathy and James so I am sure to take a stand against the injustice at Harvest was not at all an easy decision.So many other godly people got pushed out for speaking up about the entitlement and harshness of James and other Pastors and Elders.So very sad somewhere along the way they just forgot they are supposed to be shepherds and servant and not the guards defending the many sin issues at Harvest. Because evangelical megachurches are typically formed around a single charismatic individual, elder boards are generally loathe to consider letting this individual go. Lina Abujamra who once was the Womens Ministry Director at Rolling Meadows explained how she ran afoul of the elders and why she left in the course of time. 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